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(A note about spoilers: I will keep Harry Potter spoilers to a minimum, only letting go the kind of information that you could pick up from your standard movie trailer and have probably picked up on already, unless you live in a world without other people. Twilight spoilers, on the other hand, abound, because I can’t “spoil” Twilight any more than I can “spoil” a compost heap.)
The main protagonist of Harry Potter is a boy, while the protagonist of Twilight is a girl, so you’d think that Twilight would be more feminist in its message.
But anyone who has read that series would laugh hysterically at the suggestion that it was anything other than unempowering anti-feminist sludge. Well, anyone except the author.
Stephanie Meyer doesn’t agree with the rest of the Western World that Twilight is sexist codswallop.
Sure, Bella is pretty weak and useless. And sure, Edward tends to make all of the decisions. And yeah, Edward frequently ignores Bella’s preferences (drags her to the car/prom/house/birthday party/altar against her will, hides information that he doesn’t think she should hear, steals the engine out of her car to keep her “safe” from his rival…) in the name of knowing what is best for her.
Well, and ok, she is constantly needing her butt saved by someone, and she does do all the cooking and shopping around her house (because her father, after being a bachelor for 16 years, can’t even cook pasta, apparently). And she does attach all of her life’s value to the presence of a man.
But, Meyer doesn’t understand why we make such a big deal of all that.
Just because she doesn’t do kung fu and she cooks for her father doesn’t make her worthy of that criticism.
Ok, Steph.
Meyer has also pointed out that there are other strong female characters in Twilight other than, er, Bella.
I am all about girl power—look at Alice and Jane if you doubt that.
Okay, let’s run through your other female characters, shall we? We’ll start with Alice and Jane.
A Sampling of Female Twilight Characters:
Alice – Alice is a clairvoyant vampire of dubious skill who is obsessed with throwing parties for Bella despite the fact that Bella hates parties, buying new clothes for Bella despite the fact that Bella doesn’t like fancy clothes, and giving Bella makeovers so Bella won’t feel so ugly. She also tends to steal things.
Jane – Another example of “girl power”, according to Meyer. Jane is a young female vampire with the ability to mentally torture others. She functions as a sort of attack-dog for the powerful Volturi (a trio of male vampires who rule the vampire world). That’s right, she’s not a ruler herself, she just forms part of their “guard” and attacks people when she’s told to do so.
Rosalie – Rosalie is a beautiful blonde who was gang-raped by a bunch of dudes and then “saved” by Carlisle, who turned her into a vampire. She was originally named “Carol” and I sort of like her, because she thinks Bella is an idiotic twerp. She is eternally pissed off that now that she’s undead, she can never have babies.
Esme – Failed at committing suicide when her baby died. Eventually married Carlisle, who had thought she was hot in the morgue and turned her into a vampire, and adopted all the other Cullens as her “children”. Doesn’t do much in the stories except pat people on the shoulder in a motherly way when they are sad.
Renee – Bella’s mother, who we rarely see but is characterized by Bella as scatterbrained and totally unable to take care of herself. But it’s okay – she can live without Bella now, because she has a new husband to look out for her.
Lauren – a high school girl who is supposedly bitchy to Bella, so we are supposed to hate her. Meyer likes to think about bad things happening to her.
Jessica – a high school girl who was very nice to Bella at first, but then grew disgusted with being constantly snubbed and withdrew, joining Lauren on what Bella calls the side of “evil”.
Angela – a high school girl who was nice to Bella and continued to put up with Bella’s icy moods long after Jessica got sick of it.
Victoria – A vampire who spends two books trying to hunt down and kill Bella with spectacularly poor success. She wants to kill Bella because Edward killed her boyfriend (which is odd, because according to the end of Twilight, it was actually Jasper and Emmett who killed him), and as you know, when a man does something bad, it’s another woman’s fault.
The Volturi wives – we never actually meet these ladies, but they are apparently the wives of the all-powerful Volturi. They spend their time mewed up in a tower, and are only let out every couple hundred years or so, when their husbands want them to act as witnesses.
Oh yeah, I am overwhelmed by the display of girl power in these books.
Let’s move on to Harry Potter, shall we? You know, the series about a BOY hero? Doesn’t it seem odd, even sexist, for a female author to choose a male hero instead of a female one? What’s wrong with her own gender?
I’ve thought about why I didn’t choose a heroine, but I didn’t want to change him. He was too real to me, and it would have felt very contrived to feminize him. . . . There are plenty of strong females in the books.
Well, J.K. is right about that. There may be a male protagonist, but Harry is far from the only hero in the Harry Potter series.
For those who haven’t read the Harry Potter series, there’s something you should know:
One of the most interesting things about the character of Harry Potter is that he is not portrayed as being startlingly talented or, really, all that special in any way. This is part of what makes him so likeable – he’s a nice kid, you can’t help but like him, and he isn’t a SPESHUL SNOFLAKE.
His only real talent is flying on a broomstick, but that never once saves his butt from Voldemort, the evil wizard whom he is forever battling against.
You know who saves his butt a lot?
Women.
Meet Lily Potter:
For those who haven’t read the series and think of Harry Potter as being about a boy magician’s adventures at boarding school, let me tell you how the story starts:
A psychopathic wizard shows up on the doorstep of the Potter home and blasts his way inside. He is intent on killing their 15 month old son, Harry, but Harry’s mother flings herself in front of the crib and lays down her life to save him.
Not Harry, not Harry, please not Harry!”
“Stand aside, you silly girl … stand aside now…”
“Not Harry, please no, take me, kill me instead…
And so, the story starts with baby Harry watching his mother be murdered before his very eyes, and her sacrifice saves Harry’s life not once, but at least three times through the course of the series.
But still, Stephenie Meyer might argue, Bella has enough bravery to die for love. If you can call it “bravery” when Bella clearly doesn’t value her life BUT AT ALL.
Fair enough, but guess what, Stephenie? There are other ways to be a hero other than just laying down your life.
Meet Hermione Granger:
Hermione starts the series as a bossy, snotty little know-it-all, and though her character makes great progress through the books, she certainly always is a know-it-all:
Hermione knows almost everything, and anything she doesn’t know, she quickly discovers through diligent research.
Bella, on the other hands, believes that there are certain things a girl can’t know or understand, like how machines work, for example:
Many of the words they used were unfamiliar to me, and I figured you had to have a Y chromosome to understand all the excitement.
Thanks for that, Bella.
Anyhoo, Hermione turns her tendency to lecture to good use, telling off her male companions when they’re being stupid, which is often.
Been having a nice little chat with her about whether or not I’m a lying, attention-seeking prat, have you?” Harry said loudly.
“No,” said Hermione calmly, “I told her to keep her big fat mouth shut about you, actually. And it would be quite nice if you stopped jumping down Ron’s and my throats, Harry, because if you haven’t noticed, we’re on your side.
Ron,” said Hermione in a dignified voice, dipping the point of her quill into her ink pot, “you are the most insensitive wart I have ever had the misfortune to meet.
Aren’t you ever going to read Hogwarts, A History?”
“What’s the point?” said Ron. “You know it by heart, we can just ask you.
It’s not just book knowledge and a razor-sharp wit, either. Hermione can cast spells and brew potions well above her grade level. Basically, she’s just all-around frigging brilliant. She is constantly saving Harry’s sorry ass, from helping him with his homework to whisking him right out of Voldemort’s clutches.
It can safely be said that without Hermione Granger, Harry Potter would have kicked the bucket long before the end of the books. Her knowledge and sharp intelligence save the day more times than I could count, and she physically rescues him through her spellwork at least four or five times… probably more if I actually went through the stories carefully.
Even better, Hermione is the one of the only characters in the series to engage in the noble art of fisticuffs. The characters in Harry Potter fight using their wands – once disarmed they stand around wondering “now what?”
But not Hermione.
Harry and Ron both made furious moves toward Malfoy, but Hermione got there first — SMACK!
She had slapped Malfoy across the face with all the strength she could muster. Malfoy staggered. Harry, Ron, Crabbe, and Goyle stood flabbergasted as Hermione raised her hand again.
“Hermione!” said Ron weakly, and he tried to grab her hand as she swung it back.
“Get off, Ron!
But “oh”, you say, “Bella hit someone too!”
Right. Except that this was presented as humorously futile, and the male characters all have a good laugh at Bella’s expense, including her own father, Charlie.
Emmett grinned, “fall down again, Bella?”
I glared at him fiercely, “No, Emmett, I punched a werewolf in the face.”
Emmett blinked, and then burst into a roar of laughter.
“Why did she hit you?”
“Because I kissed her,” Jacob said, unashamed.
“Good for you, kid,” Charlie congratulated him.
Fwaw, little Bella trying to protect herself against sexual assult. It’s so darling!
This is the big difference between Rowling’s writing and Meyer’s – it’s not just what the character does, it’s how others react to it.
When Hermione shows off her brilliance, or scolds her friends, or smacks an asshole in the face, her male friends are impressed with her. They respect her and boast about her brilliance to others.
Oho! “One of my best friends is Muggle-born, and she’s the best in our year!” I’m assuming this is the very friend of whom you spoke, Harry?”
“Yes, sir,” said Harry.
Hermione turned to Harry with a radiant expression and whispered, “Did you really tell him I’m the best in the year? Oh, Harry!”
“Well, what’s so impressive about that?” whispered Ron, who for some reason looked annoyed. “You are the best in the year- I’d’ve told him so if he’d asked me!
Meanwhile, when Bella tries to tell someone off, or defends herself against a SEXUAL ASSAULT, everyone thinks it’s funny, and then they congratulate the guy who was harassing her. As for her intelligence, it’s never really mentioned (probably because she’s dimmer than a 40 watt bulb).
That’s not just a matter of character differences and Bella not knowing kung fu; that’s sexist writing.
Meyer is right – you don’t have to be physically impressive in order to be a feminist character. But you could at least get the men around her to take her seriously.
Meet Ginny Weasley:
Ginny starts out as a bit of a Bella – she’s a moonstruck wet-blanket who mopes around all the time and whines about how good, kind, handsome Harry will never notice her.
She gets herself kidnapped and Harry has to go rescue her and she’s really quite useless. But here’s the best bit: Harry has no romantic interest in her.
Then Hermione (to the rescue again!) gives her a good piece of advice:
Hermione told me to get on with life, maybe go out with some other people, relax a bit around you, because I never used to be able to talk if you were in the room, remember? And she thought you might take a bit more notice if I was a bit more – myself.
Good old Hermione. Even better, Ginny actually recognized a good piece of advice and acted on it. She dated other guys. She got on the Quidditch team (and later in life, ended up becoming a professional Quidditch player).
Do you hear that, Bella? She (stay with me here) ACTUALLY MOVED ON.
I don’t want to be happy with anyone but him.
Good for you, Bella.
Ginny, now, decided to be happy any way, and she ended up dating several other guys, and generally toughening up quite nicely.
Yeah, size is no guarantee of power,” said George. “Look at Ginny.”
“What d’ you mean?” said Harry.
You’ve never been on the receiving end of one of her Bat-Bogey Hexes, have you?
She ends up impressing Harry with her excellent Reductor curses and her swift Disarming Charm (that’s actually a spell, not the same as disarming charm). She even tells off Harry, former love-of-her-life, when he gets too mopey and emo.
I didn’t want anyone to talk to me,” said Harry, who was feeling more and more nettled.
“Well, that was a bit stupid of you,” said Ginny angrily, “seeing as you don’t know anyone but me who’s been possessed by You-Know-Who, and I can tell you how it feels.”
Harry remained quite still as the impact of these words hit him. Then he wheeled around.
“I forgot,” he said.
“Lucky you,” said Ginny coolly.
And here’s the thing – once she stops mooning uselessly after him, Harry begins to take notice of her. Older Ginny is frank, tough, smart, and doesn’t make a fuss over much. All of these traits appeal to Harry, who is minorly phobic of emotional expression.
She was not tearful; that was one of the many wonderful things about Ginny, she was rarely weepy.
So she gets the guy by getting over herself and getting a life, instead. And when her noble hero man breaks it off with her, supposedly for her own good, she handles it with dignity.
[Harry] knew that at that moment they understood each other perfectly, and that when he told her what he was going to do now, she would not say “Be careful”, or “Don’t do it”, but accept his decision, because she would not have expected anything less of him.[…]
“I can’t be involved with you any more. We’ve got to stop seeing each other. We can’t be together.”
She said, with an oddly twisted smile, “It’s for some stupid, noble reason, isn’t it?
That’s our Ginny. She doesn’t whine, or beg, or plead. She just gets a little sardonic and tells him that his dedication to killing evil wizards is pretty hot. Then she just goes on with her life.
I’m sure you would have handled it just as well, though, Bella. Right?
Bella?
The waves of pain that had only lapped at me before now reared high up and washed over my head, pulling me under. I did not resurface.
…Alrighty, I’ll just leave you to wallow, shall I?
Then again, Stephenie Meyer has argued that Bella’s reaction to her break up with Edward doesn’t say anything about feminism.
I can only say that we all handle grief in our own way. Bella’s way is no less valid than any other to my mind.
When hectored about feminism, she has responded that to her, feminism is about the power to choose, not what you choose.
One of the weird things about modern feminism is that some feminists seem to be putting their own limits on women’s choices. That feels backward to me. It’s as if you can’t choose a family on your own terms and still be considered a strong woman. How is that empowering?
Okay, fair point. I have made that same argument myself. But here’s the thing – Bella doesn’t choose squat.
“In what parallel dimension would I ever have gone to prom of my own free will? If you weren’t a thousand times stronger than me, I would never have let you get away with this.”
I didn’t know if there ever was a choice, really. I was already in too deep. Now that I knew — if I knew — I could do nothing about my frightening secret. Because when I thought of him, of his voice, his hypnotic eyes, the magnetic force of his personality, I wanted nothing more than to be with him right now.
She doesn’t even want to marry Edward – he basically blackmails her into it, because he refuses to have sex with her until she does. So she does it to get into his pants, and then she feels all guilty for leaving her father.
I feel just horrible, leaving you to cook for yourself – it’s practically criminal negligence. You could arrest me.
I have to say, I’m not overwhelmed with the power and decisiveness and feminine strength of Bella’s “choices”.
You want a strong woman who chooses to be a homemaker?
Meet Molly Weasley:
Mrs. Weasley is a stay-at-home mother who enjoys cooking, knitting, mooning after attractive celebrities, listening to sappy love songs, and caring for her large brood of ginger children. When she joins the anti-Voldemort rebellion, she spends most of her time scrubbing the new headquarters. She takes great pride in her husband’s career, and she likes him to call her ‘Mollywobbles” in private. She happily adopts Harry as a seventh son, calls him “dear”, feeds him a lot, and sends him a knitted sweater every Christmas.
Oh, and she kicks ass.
Mrs. Weasley was marching across the yard, scattering chickens, and for a short, plump, kind-faced woman, it was remarkable how much she looked like a saber-toothed tiger.
Mrs Weasley may have her priorities set at protecting her children and making sure everyone is well-fed, but damn she does it with gusto. She rules her family with an iron fist, including her husband.
“Tell me what, Arthur?”
Mr Weasley hesitated. Harry could tell that, however angry he was with Fred and George, he hadn’t really intended to tell Mrs Weasley what had happened. There was a silence, while Mr Weasley eyed his wife nervously.[…]
“Tell me what, Arthur?” Mrs Weasley repeated in a dangerous sort of voice.
She can do serious magic, too, even if she does choose to use it for household chores.
Mrs Weasley jabbed her want at the cutlery drawer, which shot open. Harry and Ron both jumped out of the way as several knives soared out of it, flew across the kitchen and began chopping potatoes
Despite the fact that Mrs Weasley is as homebody as they come, no one looks down on her for it or minimizes her skill as a witch. She is treated as a witch to be reckoned with, and her ability to terrorize others with her fierce opinions extends outside of her family boundaries and towards pretty much anyone else who crosses her path.
No one crosses Molly Weasley and gets away with it, including Voldemort and company.
Not my daughter, you bitch!
I could go on and on about the awesome female characters.
I haven’t mentioned Professor McGonagall (a favourite of mine), or Tonks (who is as clumsy as Bella, but not nearly as useless), or Luna Lovegood (who wins our admiration against incredible odds), or Bellatrix Lestrange (who, like another Bella, is also infatuated with an undead white guy, but is much more useful to him), or Narcissa Malfoy (who defies evil wizards for the sake of her son) or Dolores Umbridge (who is probably the next most evil character to Voldemort himself).
I think I’ve made my point, though.
But wait – I’ve realized there IS one strong female character in the Twilight Saga.
Meet Leah Clearwater:
Shut up, Jacob. Oops, I’m sorry – I mean, shut up, most high Alpha.
Leah is an extremely minor character, and it’s never clear why she even exists. You spend a lot of Breaking Dawn thinking that she’s being set up as Jacob’s future love interest, but that gets shot to hell.
Basically, Leah used to go out with Sam, the first guy to transform into a werewolf. They were engaged and stuff. Then he met her cousin Emily and “imprinted” on her, and immediately ditched Leah.
The cousin, Emily, thought that this was a bit douchey of Sam, so he got pissed off and mauled her. Emily (now permanently disfigured) immediately fell in love with the guy who had put her in the hospital, and Leah was left to watch Sam and his mutilated new girlfriend live happily ever after. They even badgered her into agreeing to be a bridesmaid at the wedding.
For some reason, all this made Leah rather bitter and pissy.
Then a fit of anger makes her transform into a werewolf, even though werewolves are supposed to be all boys. The shock of his DAUGHTER doing such a masculine thing as turning into a werewolf gives her father a heart attack.
So basically, she killed her father.
Because she did something that men do.
So now she’s part of the werewolf pack, and everyone resents her feminine intrusion on their cozy little man-club. It doesn’t help that they can read each other’s minds, and Leah’s pissiness about the whole my-boyfriend-dumped-me-for-my-cousin-and-now-I-hear-all-his-horny-thoughts-about-her thing just adds to their disgust with her.
Oh, and becoming a werewolf apparently made her infertile, because women in Twilight can’t be supernatural and capable of making babies at the same time (but men can).
Leah is almost always referred to negatively, with words like “harpy” and “shrew”.
In the middle of Breaking Dawn, she and Jacob start to get close, because Jacob’s mooning over Bella helps him understand what it might be like for Leah to have lost HER love of her life, and he realizes that while anger certainly is unbecoming in a woman, it can sometimes be understandable.
But then Jacob falls in love with a cute, curly-haired vampire baby, and Leah is left out in the cold with no one.
The End.
The moral? If you aren’t a helpless martyr and a complete doormat, you don’t get love.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
You’re welcome, Leah. I’m sorry you weren’t born into the Potterverse instead.
Next up – Twilight in the Garden of Good and Evil: When Bad Characters Are Portrayed As Good People.
Previously – Rowling vs Meyer: As Requested.
**I wrote a book! Twilight annoyed me so much that I decided to write a story that was the exact opposite AND IT WON AN AWARD! You can check it out here.**
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My thoughts exactly! Love the side by side comparison and can’t wait for more. Meyer’s female characters are really pathetic compared to the masterful Rowling’s. –Amelia
P.S. McGonagall is my favorite too! Absolutely adore her in print and on screen. Maggie Smith was perfectly cast to play the no-nonsense professor.
I agree. She IS Minerva McGonagall.
I could read this all day. Twilight is dreadful.
“Well, at least it gets kids reading!”
“That’s like taking someone with an eating disorder to McDonald’s and saying, ‘At least they’re eating!'”
Ha ha, great comparison. I know. Yes, it gets them reading, but honestly? Isn’t the message important, too?
Saying that at least Twilight gets kids to read is like telling someone who doesn’t like tomatoes, “Here’s a Bloody Mary! You’re an alcoholic now, but at least you like tomatoes!” I think Twilight permanently skews a young person’s idea of good literature.
Excellent point!
This was brilliant. I really have no more to say than that 🙂
I’m so glad you like it!
You crack me up!! Admittedly, I’ve been curious about the Twilight series in the past…Mainly because I thought it might be something I could get into once HP was done. It took me so long to get into HP because of all the hype that surrounded it; I figured it wouldn’t be as good as people were making it out to be. Boy was I WRONG! However, my feelings of curiosity toward the Twilight series dwindle every time I read one of your posts. I think I’ll NOT waste my life reading crap, and instead enjoy the shortened (but entertaining and insightful) version by you. Can’t WAIT for the full comparison!
Hey, they’re an entertaining read, anyway! Well, that’s not wholly true. I found parts of them, especially Twilight itself, to be mind numbing. But still…
I loved this so much you have no clue. I even got a bit teary-eyed as you discussed some of my favourite Potter characters and just how AWESOME they are.
Never was interested in reading Twilight, mostly because I’ve never been interested in vampire-dramas, but also because once they started making the movies I was completely turned off by the trailers. Discovering the books by reading your critique is excellent, however. Looking forward to the next installation!
I moved you to tears? Is it wrong that I am so delighted by that?
Along the same lines, check out this online comic a friend sent to me this morning: http://comixed.memebase.com/2011/07/29/koma-comic-strip-breakups-are-rough/
OMG, that’s awesome.
Pure brilliance! Hodgepodge gave me the link to this and it’s the best comparison I’ve seen so far.
Thank you! I’m so glad people like it.
Oh my gosh this is hilarious. I teach a Gothic Literature course, and we end by reading ‘Twilight’ and discussing how it does and doesn’t fit into the genre – there are a lot of fainting women who need to be saved in the classic tales. But none of them annoy my college women so much as Bella; it’s great fun to hear them mock her. Might I show your comparison to my class someday?
I would be honored!
Thanks!
There are no words to express how much I loved this post. It amazes me still to find some otherwise intelligent women who enjoyed Twilight, not for its comedic badness factor, but as a work of fiction. Bella’s “relationship” disturbed me so much! I’m glad you felt the same way. HP women rock!
I love Harry Potter, but I’m not wholly convinced about its feminist credentials. If we move past the “role model” aspect of feminist analysis, the wizarding world is hardly congenial to feminist views. Partly that’s because the appeal of the wizarding world is largely nostalgic: as soon as you get on the Hogwarts Express it’s like you’re traveling backwards in time through the Victorian age of steam back to a medieval environment where married women are expected to be stay-at-home mothers. We have unmarried career women (McGonagall and Tonks), and then we have iconic domestic women like Molly Weasley. Yes, Mrs. Weasley has a strong personality, but that strength is expressed in extremely traditional terms: she is a fierce mother bear when her family is threatened, and her relationship with Mr. Weasley is thoroughly stereotypical, where he is the playful, boyish rule-breaker and she is a domestic rule-enforcer (in a series where we are consistently on the side of the rule-breakers even when the rule-enforcers are fairly benign).
There is also an aspect of tokenism to virtually every strong female character. McGonagall is second-in-command to Dumbledore just as Bellatrix Lestrange is, in some ways, second-in-command to Voldemort, but both of these characters are peripheral to the primary conflict, which always takes place between male foes. I love Hermione, but I’m not always thrilled with the way she is depicted as a girl whose friends are all male, primarily because girls are silly (Lavender Brown being a case in point). Hermione is always odd man out in the Harry/Ron/Hermione trio, yet she never forms strong female friendships precisely because her intelligence and courage make her so unlike most other girls. Ginny is another one of those atypical girls – she is valued precisely because she is not very girly. Ginny is a teenage boy’s wish-fulfillment girlfriend – someone who makes no demands, displays no inconvenient emotions, and projects as much sexual availability as Rowling is willing to admit to at Hogwarts (a school where teenagers do plenty of snogging but apparently have no desire for anything more). (Bella, by contrast, is a teenage boy’s worst nightmare; the wish-fulfillment is put in reverse there so that it is Edward who is constructed along the lines of what a teenage girl would want.)
All good points, but I disagree in general.
Yes, the wizard society is a little “old fashioned”, but I think that is part of the influence that Harry and Co are trying to abolish – the same kind of traditions that value pure blood and subjugating house elves.
Re: unmarried career women: Tonks not only gets married, but has a baby, and then leaves said baby at home while she comes out to fight the battle of Hogwarts.
Re: Hermione’s having all-male friends, it’s true that her two best friends are boys, but that’s only because they happened to be the only two who could tolerate her, and THAT was only because she got them out of a jam. She’s also quite good friends with Ginny and Luna, who are girls. And as for girls being portrayed as silly, well, don’t forget Seamus and Neville Longbottom, who are just as frequently or MORE frequently the butt of jokes.
Ginny isn’t really so un-girly. She begs her mother for a pygmy puff. She wears her hair long. I don’t think that playing on a sports team or acting “tough” is necessarily masculine.
And Bella may be a teenage boy’s worst nightmare, but I shudder to think that Edward is a teenage girl’s wish-fulfillment. Yes, he offers the unconditional love that teenage girls long for, but he is controlling and demanding. He doesn’t take Bella’s wishes and desires seriously, and he often physically forces her to bend to his will. While Ginny may be undemanding of Harry, he is equally undemanding of her. I think that’s a step in the right direction.
Hermione is also very, very quick to bash on the more “traditionally feminine” girls. Lavender and Parvati are silly and she can’t stand them. Pansy Parkinson is a mean and a bully (though no less so than Draco Malfoy) but all Hermione ever says about her is that she’s “as thick as a concussed troll.” Despite the fact she was, you know, made a Prefect. Cho Chang is annoyingly weepy (forget the fact her BOYFRIEND JUST DIED.) I love Hermione. She’s great, and a fantastic role model for kids, but she has her flaws and I loathe the idea that only the non-traditionally feminine girls are worth anything, because those are the ONLY women we see portrayed in a nice light in the books. It’s clearly (to me) avocation of girl-on-girl hate.
(Not to mention Hermione does some truly awful things in the books that are never examined. re: scarring Marietta Edgecomb permanently and Harry deeming it “brilliant.”)
JKR is no where near as bad as Stephanie Meyer, of course, but there are flaws in calling HP a feminist series.
One of the things that really annoys me is that Pansy Parkinson, a girl who never says anything more awful than Draco Malfoy and is no where near as abusive as Snape, is not afforded any sort of redemption. JKR has stated that she “loathes her” and that she “represents everyone who ever bullied [her] in school.” And yet Snape, a man who verbally abused his students to the point he was Neville’s boggart is worthy of redemption and having Harry’s kid named after him because he…what? Loved Harry’s mom? I call bullshit.
And she sticks to the idea of the ideal happy ending is married with 2.5 kids.
Sorry for wordvomiting. I truly do love the series, but I hesitate to give it the “feminist” label when it is so lacking in a good, traditionally feminine character, and the ones who ARE get the shit treatment they do.
I see your point, I think tolkiens writing is more feminist then jk rowling, he didn’t have many female characters but the ones that were there were a variety, shieldmaiden of rohan Eowyn, to Galadriel who ruled Lothlorien besides her husband (and it was clear she was in charge and he had no problem with it) to Arwen who was just quiet and comfortable, chose to give up her mortality (actual choice, unlike Bella’s)
People argue that by end of the book women give up their power for a domestic life. But i think it simply parallels with real war, when there is no fighting to be done they just go back to their lives. Besides war isnt something that was good in Tolkien’s opinion being a veteran himself, i doubt he would have anyone continue fighting once the purpose is achieved. His women characters do have a strenght about them, a mind and intelligence of their own to take their decisions despite restrictions on them.
But the way he portrays them is very symbolic in nature. They are stand ins for the Virgin Mary etc and they aren’t whole, complex characters. Eowyn’s resignation from fighting is portrayed as a kind of spiritual healing.
JK Rowling has more female characters and they aren’t abstract symbols but complex characters who act in a variety of roles.
You are right, but in lotr all characters are black or white, not just the female.
It is true Rowling has more variety and complex characters that are easier to relate to for their emotions. While Luna, Hermoine and Ginny are my favorites, I’m not convinced about other characters like Pansy, Cho, Lavender. These characters seemed to me, as being overly girly, emotional, gossiping, and silly.
Also there are other problems, like Fred and George selling love potions specifically targeted at girls. The result is fan theories of how Ginny attracted Harry with a love potion, which is not a good thing.
Lotr gets criticism for having very few female characters, that is point i wanted to make here that even with few it did justice.
Like when Eowyn tells Aragorn- “All your words are but to say: you are a woman, and your part is in the house. But when the men have died in battle and honour, you have leave to be burned in the house, for the men will need it no more. But I am of the House of Eorl and not a serving-woman. I can ride and wield blade, and I do not fear either pain or death.”
But even so I still love Harry Potter ! The major female characters are amazing, and I always took characters like Lavender Brown as being comic so i enjoyed much of it.
FWIW, in Pottermore, Rowling says that McGonagall had a husband — emphasis on *had*. They had a very happy marriage terminated only by his death. No children, but whatever.
As you were.
It was the scene at the end of Goblet of Fire that really twigged me to the archaic gender norms of the Harry Potter series: Voldemort rises and is joined by his Death Eaters – a circle of entirely male villains, with only the absent Bellatrix Lestrange to take up the token female spot. That was when I really started noticing how traditional the gender politics in the series had always been. But I agree that this is something that is changing in the wizarding world – I get the sense that Hermione’s generation of Hogwarts graduates will enter an era a bit like second-wave feminism. In that sense, the wizarding world is about thirty years behind the Muggle world – and that’s something that becomes increasingly clear as the series goes on: that despite their dazzling magical powers, wizards live in a very hidebound society with underdeveloped democratic institutions. The novels create and endorse a deep nostalgia for this old-fashioned, small-town universe, but starting with Order of the Phoenix we get an increasingly critical look at the wizarding world, with its lack of an independent free press, its strikingly undemocratic Ministry for Magic, its enslavement of house elves, etc. The wizarding world needs Muggle-borns like Hermione to drive social change, and while the shift towards greater gender equality is never made an explicit issue, I do think it’s one of many issues that Rowling is subtly highlighting as in need of social change.
And after all my ranting against the traditionalism of the wizarding world, I’m going to contradict myself completely and say it bothered me a bit that Tonks left her baby (especially in light of the outcome).
Agreeing with you on all of that! And Rowling haas said that Hermione did just that – Despite her snip at Scrimgeour – She revolutionalized magical law, especially in regards to House Elf treatment.
Let me say that I too was moved to tears (IN THE OFFICE – I should not be reading a blog in the office, I know) by your praise of the many strong female characters in HP (Not my daughter, bitch!). I agree with Bea that there is evidence of a wizardly “glass ceiling” so to speak, but then again, also that this might be a generational evolution. In the end, we have, for example, Hermoine and Ginny and Luna as mothers who are also absolutely equal to their partners, looking at their careers. I read the Twilight books and felt that as far as writing quality, characters and story go, they are “train station literature”( you know the books on the metal turnstalls that have swooning women in ravaged dresses and Conan the Barbarian types on the front) or “Schundromane” as we say in Germany: trash lit. Well-marketed (but not edited! Hello typos!) trash lit.
Thank you for the enlighting and fun read. Well said!
Schundromane, eh? Thanks for the new word!
I’ll start this post by freely bragging that I’ve not read either series of books.
However, I do know a bit about growing up in the Utahiest part of Utah and what “feminism” means in that part of the world. The female characters in Meyers books? Pure Utah feminism. Women are a power, but only if they channel their power through the guidance and instruction of men and to their husbands in particular,who hold godly powers that women do not. Women are naturally and divinely inclined to the care of men, the cooking and cleaning, the babymaking and deferring. It’s through this avenue that the female sex shines, is blessed and is rewarded.
Add to that all the lack of sexual expression that’s written in as well, you have a naive mindwashed female mess. Growing up in Utah I’ve known girls who have had babies and had no idea where their own clitoris was, much less ever defile themselves by inserting a tampon.
That Meyers doesn’t question her portrayed roles is no surprise. You are told not to. The roles are considered sacred and to question sacred is the gateway to all sorts of bad things.
I did watch the last Harry Potter movie though. When I sat down with my family during the preview I asked one of my son’s to fill me in on what had gone on up to that point. The people sitting in front of me turned to stare at me. That joke was nearly as good as taking rubber spiders to several showings of Arachniphobia.
Yep, that sounds like Meyer’s idea of feminism all right. *sigh*
The Potter books really are excellent literature. Don’t let their excessive popularity throw you off.
Sometimes I am inclined to sympathize with a DJ that my husband heard on the radio who commented “music is never as good once people discover it.” (Ironic opinion for a DJ, but you can sort of understand what he means). Harry Potter was my personal treasure, and then people DISCOVERED it and now everyone thinks it’s an over-blown fad.
Spiders to Arachnophobia? Good job.
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Need to tell you that I came back to read this again because I enjoy it so much!
Awesome!
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This is completely awesome and hilarious.
Why thank you! We Twibashers need to support each other 😀
Oh and don’t forget that Jacob fell in love with a baby!! What???
EWWWW!
As for Ginny and her initial Bella-ness, in her defence it has to be pointed out that the girl is TEN YEARS OLD when it begins (as opposed to Bella’s seventeen).
And by the age of thirteen Ginny’s had the good sense to give up mooning and actually discover how awesome she really is. Basically, a child has more sense in matters of the heart than Bella Swan. Ha!
Oh this is brilliant! I love the comparison and I agree entirely with everything you said. Professor Mcgonagall is pretty kick butt! I’m sending this to EVERYONE
Round 4 is coming very, VERY soon!
I love this post so much (even the title makes me giggle), but I have ever so small a bone to pick: Hermione isn’t the only one of the trio to engage in fisticuffs. In Philosopher’s/Sorcerer’s Stone, Ron gets into a fistfight with Draco Malfoy in the stands of a Quidditch match; and in Order of the Phoenix, it’s Harry’s fistfight with Draco (what a nice young lad he is) that triggers his and the twins’ suspension from the Gryffindor Quidditch team; and of course, when Sirius disarms Harry in Prisoner of Azkaban, Harry launches himself at Sirius intending to kill him with his bare hands.
But WHO CARES. (And probably just a typo, to begin with.) GREAT post.
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I guess this is kind of related, but now that I’m farther along in the Twilight books (Eclipse, woohoo) I can’t help but think about the way Edward always blames everything on Bella’s bad luck. It’s almost like he’s setting a foundation for future abuse, so if anything does happen, he can go, “Oh, she made friends with another werewolf and he beat the snot out of her. What horrible luck.”
Just thought you’d find that interesting.
Dang, that’s so true. He’s always telling her “you’re so clumsy. You’re a magnet for trouble. You need me to protect you.” He’s totally creating co-dependence.
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You people are stupid! Part of a relationship is co-depndency and given that the people after her are so much stronger than her it makes sense that william would do everything he could to keep her safe. If my wife was a vampire I wouldn’t blame her for that. Remember this is just a movie people. I’m all about equality but when men think their better than women its bull shit and when women think their better than men its bull shit we are all equal. I think stephenie meyer is sexist because she always has a love triangle with 2 guys an 1 girl. How about a love triangle with 2 girls and 1 guy?
Who is William? And what do you mean just a movie? You realize I am talking about a book, right?
And finally, Bella isn’t weak because she hides from vampires, she’s weak because he constantly insists that she is inferior to everybody and sometimes she directly blames that fact on her femininity.
If you can’t get the character’s names right and you haven’t read the book, you’re not really qualified to call OUR assessment of the writing “stupid”.
And also, I clearly believe that feminism is about equal rights, not putting down men.
Who do you mean by “You people”?
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Hello and sorry for my bad english.
I love LEAH, how can you not love a character weak and strong like her? LEAH knows what pain and sacrifice. It ‘very sensitive, more than all the other characters in the saga. I do not suffer so much. It deserves a saga of its own. It’s not immature, but only a person who suffers a lot. Yield bad, but it is not the right word, by suffering. Pain that others do not hear or see. Or do not want to because it conflicts with their happiness.
LEAH loses everything: the arrival of the Cullen takes off her boyfriend and her best friend, the arrival of other vampires remove her father and a normal life (being the only female of the pack could not go back more human), the daughter Bell takes off Jacob (as a friend), Bell, in a sense, you become part of the affection of the mother and the Cullens part or perhaps all the love Seth.
No one eventually wants to help. And she is not able to help, but to those who may ask?
Sorry for the confusion.
Such a shame that Meyer gave her such a negative, unimportant role.
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Stephenie Meyer sexist? More than sexist and anti-feminist I find it subtle in describing the characters of the saga, especially Sam, Emily and LEAH. This last character has been bribed to the utmost to favor Bella, Emily, Renesmee (everyone loves more than LEAH, all are better than LEAH, all suffer more than LEAH). Not to mention the way it justifies the imprinting of Sam and Emily. I’ve always found it reprehensible because she has never worked so well with Jared’s and Kim’s imprinting, Paul’s and Jacob’s sister. For this last Meyer said his imprinting came because the guy was mature (not to mention that Meyer made sure the boy had it with Renesmee that looks casual is the daughter of the boy’s first great love; Reiterate that they too were twin souls). Does this mean? What about getting imprinting to be mature? But if Paul has an irascible character, if Quil considers cool be a wolf boy, a superhero like that of comics. Quil has imprinting despite reasons like a teenager. Meyer detests LEAH and this is clearly seen in the saga. Although the author says that there is no trace of his faith in his books, I have always seen Bella and Emily who fully represent the model of the perfect Mormon girl, but not LEAH. Although I am autistic, it does not mean that it is so delayed that I do not see and understand, and luckily (and I’m happy about this) other people have also noticed Meyer’s subtlety and hypocrisy; The way he omits some things and puts him as much but vaguely (even in his interviews). A good example of Christianity.
P.S. Bella’s biggest problem is not its weakness, but the fact that she does not actually see and feel the pain of others (even though Meyer seeks to show the opposite, especially in Eclipse) just as empathetic and “deeply” good Edward.
I apologize for the bad translation and for venting. When I find something new that guardacaso is not in favor of LEAH, I’m crying…
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